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  • 01-01-2001 12:00 AM

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    2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

    Introduced in the House on January 9, 2009

    Click here to view bill details.
  • 01-15-2009 4:30 PM In reply to

    • gman
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

     no no no no more taxes

  • 02-10-2009 3:55 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

     

    To our elected officials:

    Dear sirs and madam, I first should begin by saying how infuriated I am fast becoming with the whole lot of you.  I came to Kentucky 6 years ago to work for a very successful wine store group here in Northern Kentucky because of the great opportunities it presented me in the industry that I have been passionate for ever since I entered the food and beverage business in 1989.  During my nearly 7 years with this company, we have become one of the premier wine and spirits retailers in the region, with much of our business coming across the river to enjoy the savings we are currently able to offer them.  Our stores have worked diligently to provide these customers knowledgeable service, phenomenal selection of wines from around the world, and prices that are far and away cheaper here than in Ohio.  I would venture to say that 60-70% of our business is derived from Ohioans thanks largely to their state being a “control” state – where pricing is set by the state and is considerably higher than here in the great commonwealth of Kentucky.

    And while I understand the potential increase in the tobacco tax, I do not comprehend the rationale behind increasing the alcohol tax to a total of 17%, which should make our state the highest tax rate on alcohol in the country.  The loss of jobs – something I think you should be fighting to preserve for your constituents – will be significant and your areas of representation will be extremely burdened due to your obvious shortsightedness.

    I am personally vested in this legislation.  My wife is on disability and my financial situation is already substantial due to rising health care costs.  My company is forced to drop me from their group policy thanks to health care spiraling out of control, problems born at least in part to glaring incompetence in regulating the industry here in the state.

    The businesses here in Northern Kentucky always seem to have to shoulder the load so to speak for the counties that fail to rise above their archaic principles and join the 21st Century.  Seems to me that it would make more sense to turn all of the “dry” counties that still exist (which by my calculations is approximately two-thirds of the entire commonwealth) to wet, enabling the state government to gain more tax revenue off the already-existing 11% that you get from us retailers in the existing wet counties.  Why should we taxpayers in Northern Kentucky have to do more when those that live in dry counties do virtually nothing to help with the economic shortfalls of the state?  And why do we who do business in alcohol have to feel guilty for what we do by shelling out more taxes when other industries are not subjected to this obvious political bias?

    And do you seriously want to send people back across the river because they can no longer afford to patronize business here in Northern Kentucky?  People just don’t come here to shop for wine and spirits.  They buy gas, fast food, dine in area restaurants, shop in area shopping centers – it’s not sound business what you are about to do.

    It would be colossally naïve of me to believe that there will be any response to this letter in any other form than the standard “form” letter, professing the myopic benefits you believe this tax increase will yield so I will be posting PDF copies of this letter on our wine store’s Web site, my wine blog page, and I will be forwarding this to all of my fellow bloggers and reporters across the country in the hopes of at least, creating a problematic media issue for you all.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

    Sincerely,

    Kevin Keith

    Wine Buyer/Blogger

    Liquor Direct Wine & Spirits

    670 W. 3rd St./90 Alexandria Pk. #1C

    Covington, KY 41017/Fort Thomas, KY 41075

    www.liquordirect.net

    http://underthegrapetree.blogspot.com

    thewineguy@zoomtown.com

     

  • 02-11-2009 8:37 AM In reply to

    • Edwin
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

    First off Kevin I and tobacco people take offense to your statement you can understand that tax yet not one on your business endeavor.  This state is also a big tobacco producer as well as alcoholic spirits.  I wish to say these legislators should pass NO TAXES!  Yet they have the nerve to think a lousy 4% cut in government spending is enough.  Evidently, they don't see all the news about thousands of people losing their jobs not that most of Kentucky has decent employment opportunties.  Smaller government is good not this money munchers we have now they will never be satisfied.  I agree with your view about the wet and dry counties as I live in a dry one and if I want a beverage with alcohol I must drive to a wet county or cross the state line(Tennessee).  I think a referendum to put these taxes before voters should occur.  Also, if anyone starts recalls on those who voted for these taxes I'd be happy to sign it.

  • 02-12-2009 10:36 AM In reply to

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    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

     I am impressed by the ignorance of our elected officials.  In a down economy, with citizens losing there jobs left and right, with a good portion of the commonwealth cleaning up after recent storms and quite possibly wo/ electricity, these men and women of brilliance decide to add more taxes when what they should be doing is cutting government spending.  We need greater transparency, better yet, total transparency it's time the citizens of this commonwealth see where there tax dollars are going.  Companies are tirmming back their payrolls with layoffs take a hint Frankfort start laying off and cutting back.  Or wait isn't about time to give yourselves a raise again.

  • 02-13-2009 12:18 AM In reply to

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    Edwin,

    Not trying to offend anyone other than the cabbagehead politicians behind all this skullduggery.  The implied comment regarding tobacco is that KY actually enjoys one of the lowest tax rates on tobacco yet is currently one of the highest tax rates pertaining to alcohol.  Also, while all 120 counties sell tobacco, only 30 counties sell alcohol, so while a tax increase is not out of the ordinary as far as the jabberheads are concerned, what is a bitter pill to swallow is the fact that only 25% of the counties in this state have to take it on the chin with a higher tax on spirits to support the other 75% of the counties who do not generate ANY alcohol tax revenue whatsoever.

    Obviously we differ slightly but the end result is that in all likelihood, we are both going to be on the losing side of this argument because it seems all but inevitable that the stupidity will pass.  The real grind at least here in NKY is that in the wake of a real economic expansion, the tide will be reversed most assuredly, and thousands in wine and spirits retail, restaurants, and all the residual business as the direct result of the wine & spirits industry are doomed.  Let's just hope that it fails in the Senate tomorrow.

  • 02-13-2009 3:45 PM In reply to

    • Edwin
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

    Kevin,

    We lose the legislation has passed the Senate by a vote of 24-12.  I'll tell you what I'm going to do and that is sell my property and get out of this state.  These people in Kentucky need to get together and repeal some of these taxes by having them put on the ballot.  Not just this tax do several like the people in the state of Washington have done.  Also, recalling several of the prime legislative instigators of taxation would certainly get their attention.  The main one being this lying Govenor I knew better than to believe him when he said no new Taxes during his campaign.  He just meant a select few such as nonsmokers and nondrinkers.   If I'm going to spend my retirement it is now not going to be in Kentucky I feel sorry for others who cannot leave.  The People of Kentucky must Act before they are taxed into oblivion to support horse crap (I mean that literally).  I could care less about the World Equesterian Event yet how many tax dollars are being spent on it.  For that matter how many tax dollars support horse endeavors in this state.  Have you noticed every time the gambling issue comes out it is always to be put at horse tracks?  I wouldn't go to one at a horse track for any reason.  This is just a couple of the things that irk me concerning special interest voting in this state.

  • 04-02-2009 5:53 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

    HAVE YOUR VOICE BE HEARD AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!

     

    Taking action is easy and won't take much of your time, but it will make a giant difference: CLICK THE LINK http://www.axetaxesnotjobs.com/ and fill out the form to join  the fight against irresponsible and regressive taxes.

     

    "This will cost jobs in our industry— including those of small business owners, servers and bartenders like you who are the lifeblood of our economy. We need your personal involvement and help"

     

    Thank you

     

  • 04-04-2009 7:30 PM In reply to

    • jgough
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

     In the meantime the underground economy thrives tax free.  The idiocy is unbeliveable.  I know there are critics to the Fair tax, but that is because they haven't bothered to read it and absorb it's implications.  The Fairtax is the answer to our economic woes.  However, the only drawback it has is a spendthrift Congress.  As far as gambling issue, you better believe the Horse Industry is involved.  In an industry that is already hurting the last thing they need are gambling operations which do not contribute to the industry.  That's why they have the most powerful lobby group for the gambling industry.  Anything that brings the Horse Industry more money they will be for.  Including operating slots, video poker machines out of the race tracks.

  • 05-27-2009 11:32 PM In reply to

    • DK
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 166 (Booze tax increase)

    Edwin,

    "These people in Kentucky" you refer to is "us", you included. We lost the battle, true, but we can only "win the war" by checking the voting records of our legislators, becoming more educated by our past choices and by voting based on that knowledge to attempt to make a difference in the upcoming elections. OR Pull up roots and move elsewhere hoping things will be different there...... I'm not so anxious to leave. I'll do my part. 

    I agree with you concerning gambling at horse tracks, I could care less about horse racing. I've never even been to a track. I think casinos (or riverboats) are the place for gambling and there should be no mixing of the two, either one seperately would be a nightmare to oversee and regulate for tax revenue purposes. Combining them would allow too much room for corruption.

    I don't think that the people of this state are getting a fair shake from the Gov. either but did you really believe that a Democrat wouldn't raise our taxes ?   

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