2008 House Bill 114 (Deadly weapons on college and university campus)

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Introduced by Rep. Robert R Damron on January 8, 2008, to require public colleges and universities to comply with deadly weapon concealed carry laws.
- Referred to the House Judiciary Committee on January 10, 2008.

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Introduced by Rep. Robert R Damron on January 8, 2008. New Comment

1) HB 114 [by Anonymous Citizen on July 4, 2008]
Rep. Bob Damron is one of the top Democrat legislators in the Kentucky House of Representatives. You would think from reading some of the comments on this subject that a person would have to hunt in his or her own home for reportedly they are not allowed to take their guns out of their home. These anti-gun freaks have such wild views on this issue. Hunting is one of the top sports in America.
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2) GUNS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY [by Anonymous Citizen on July 3, 2008]
The idea of allowing or even thinking about allowing guns/handguns/firearms on school property is just dumb/stupid/nuts.Remember the recent usa supreme court ruling only allows a person the constitutional right to own a gun in the home and home only , states and communities can still put limits and restrictions of where a person can carry a gun/firearm outside of the home , if they should be allow to carry a gun/firearm outside of the home at all.
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3) 2nd Ammendment Support [by Anonymous Citizen on July 4, 2008]
Isn't freedom of speach and freedom of religion allowed outside the home? What makes the second ammendment which garrantees the right to keep and bare armes any different than the first? To keep means to posses, and to bear means to carry.
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4) another abuse of our rights [by Anonymous Citizen on July 1, 2008]
Since when do local authorities, including schools, have any right whatsoever to limit or modify access to our own constitutional rights as U.S. citizens? Do we have constitutional rights or not? I think the actions by whoever tries to change, modify, limit, or negate our constitutional rights is violation of federal law, and should be prosecuted.
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5) good [by Anonymous Citizen on May 9, 2008]
I think responsible citizens should be allowed to carry on college campuses. NIU and VT demonstrate loud and clear that gun free zones only keep the good guys from having guns, not the bad guys. In other words, they don't work.
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6) Contact your Rep [by rossh on February 18, 2008]
I sent a note of thanks to Bob Damron for working to safeguard the liberty of the citizens of Kentucky in this way. He directed me to contact my own representative to ask him to help free it up from the Judiciary Committee. I now pass this on to the request on to everyone else out there. Finding your own representative is easy thanks to kentuckyvotes.org. Send him or her a brief note of your support for this bill, and to assist Bob Damron in freeing this bill from the Judiciary Committee. It'll be five minutes of your day well spent!
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7) carry on campus [by Anonymous Citizen on February 16, 2008]
we should be allowed to carry on campus. to say that a campus is safe because it's a "gun free zone" was disproven twice in the past year. in both cases, someone carrying legally on campus could have saved multiple innocent lives.

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8) Should Be Able To Carry [by Joe F on February 15, 2008]
The people who have a right to carry should be able to carry on their person, not left in the car. In the case of the guy in IL in the last day, you would not have time to get to your car and get your gun. If this teacher had been carrying a gun and willing to use it to save lives, then I don't think there would have been 5 killed and many more shot. He should have been able to take the bad guy out. I think Utah has the law so you can carry on campus.
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9) HB114 [by Anonymous Citizen on February 9, 2008]
I urge every house member to co-sponsor HB114. This bill would protect all those in harms way to retrieve their weapon from their car. This would be a simple solution to the growing national problem where people are defenseless against those individuals that hate humanity. This would eliminate law suits against the universities for failure to protect all concerned by would be attackers.
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10) How to help pass this bill [by Anonymous Citizen on February 8, 2008]
This bill is in danger of NOT even being heard due to the dislikes of our right to defend ourselves and our guns by the Chairlady of the House Judiciary Committee. Go to http://www.krba.org/id8.html to see what you can do to get this bill passed as well as the list of sponsors of this great bill. Let's get this done.
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11) Another Useless Bill [by ericc4 on January 28, 2008]
I still don't understand what this law does. It's already legal to keep a firearm in your vehicle. Here's the law (KRS 527.020(8) ):

A firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in a glove compartment, regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, regardless of whether said compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a glove compartment of a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction.

And here's the real kicker about this bill. Under current Kentucky law, a university is allowed to regulate firearms and punish people who disobey the policy, but it is not illegal to violate the policy. At Northern Kentucky University (where I attended) the policy states the following: (retrieved from access.nku.edu/dps/campus_links/weapons.htm):

The possession of, use or storage of any firearm, ammunition, explosive device (including fireworks), or other deadly weapon in any form is prohibited on any Northern Kentucky University property or in any facility or on any property owned, leased, or operated by the University, except as permitted by law (K.R.S. 527.020).

Notice they quote the same law I did in the beginning of my post. This law also includes this provision, in section 2:

Persons, except those specified in subsection (5) of this section, licensed to carry a concealed deadly weapon pursuant to KRS 237.110 may carry a firearm or other concealed deadly weapon on or about their persons at all times within the Commonwealth of Kentucky, if the firearm or concealed deadly weapon is carried in conformity with the requirements of that section.

(The KRS 237.110 that it refers to is the carry licensing program.)

So, in summary, in Kentucky a university can make a policy prohibiting weapons, except in glove boxes. Northern Kentucky University made such a policy, and included an exception for anyone who follows the law and gets a license. Therefore, I carried a firearm to class every single day for two years. I never had an urge to open fire on my classmates or professors.
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12) Although it is not illegal, most schools will still expell students [by Raffica on January 29, 2008]
Eric, the point is that most universities (including UK and UL) will expell a student for having a firearm on campus, even if they have a CCDW. This bill is a start in the right direction, even though it needs to go much further. It is always easier to amend it with the correct changes later. The point is to get the ball rolling so that college students can be equipped to protect themselves without fear of being kicked out of school.
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13) ...and EKU [by stevenhacker on March 4, 2008]
I have a friend who was expelled from EKU for having a weapon on campus, and that is pathetic. This same friend's wife has to walk alone from her night class to a remote parking lot without the ability to defend herself from attacks. Attacks that since I've been at Eastern have often been very violent.

I believe that we not only need to write our lawmakers in Frankfort but the leaders of our colleges and universities. Let them know how we feel. The liberals are very vocal about their opinions and have Satan, I mean the Brady Foundation, on their side. We need to be equally loud and make sure the people who make the decisions know how we feel!
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14) Hey EKU [by newmark on March 4, 2008]
Hey EKU - You need to get your friend to find a lawyer and sue. I'm fairly certain that even before this statute is (hopefully) passed that it's already illegal for them to prevent you from carrying.

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15) Liberal Anti-Gunners Read This [by Anonymous Citizen on January 25, 2008]
See the following link to get a glimpse of what a former liberal anti-gunner thinks about the right to carry...

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=680
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16) Joe F [by Anonymous Citizen on January 24, 2008]
I don't know Rep Damron, is he a democrat or republican. Most and I say most but not all democrats would be against this law. I hope it does pass. But then again,would the new governor sign it or veto it. I don't know, that's why I'd like some feed back.
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17) Gun Control KILLS [by FreeOurPOWs on January 23, 2008]
The letters and opinions of the gun control crowd continue to entertain me. What is it about “shall not be infringed” that they do not understand?

Regarding “guns on campus”, as the recent discussion brought about by Bob Damron’s excellent bill is being phrased, the answers are obvious.

Gun free zones equal killing zones. Every single school massacre occurred in a gun free zone where citizens were unconstitutionally denied the right to protect themselves which, incidentally, the Second Amendment to our Constitution wisely guarantees.

Every shooter was a criminal law breaker, you know, those who ignore the left’s gun control laws and turn law abiding individuals into victims.

The VA Tech massacre was horrible, but a similar attempt by a sick individual at the Appalachian Law School, also in VA, was thwarted by people who had guns, dare I say, “on campus”.

Of course, the liberal mainstream media has done a great job of ignoring the heroes at the Appalachian Law School while incessantly reporting on the events at VA Tech. Those who eagerly digest this pabulum from the media might ask themselves why.

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18) Way overdue [by Anonymous Citizen on January 22, 2008]
Rep Damron hits gold again. Remember Va Tech. The same socialist argument was made by their Dean right before the massacre. The pseudo intellectuals at our colleges and universities continue to show their lack of touch with reality with their opposition to legal concealed carry. Remember Kathy Stein the next election and dump her butt.
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19) Great bill [by Raffica on December 31, 2007]
This is a fantastic bit of legislation. I already choose to carry when I am on campus, but it would be nice to know that the University couldn't expell me for practicing my constitutional rights.
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20) GUNS IN SCHOOLS/COLLEGES [by Anonymous Citizen on July 3, 2008]
You need to remember that no person has a constitional rights to carry a gun outside of the home.Right now and right now only a person only has the rights to owned a gun and firearm in the home only.No person has any legal rights to carry a gun or firearm to any schools or public buildings.
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21) Right to keep and bear arms [by Anonymous Citizen on July 21, 2008]
What part of the "right to keep and bear arms" do you not understand?

Did I miss the part that included it could only be in your home?
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22) RE-RIGHTS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS [by Anonymous Citizen on July 23, 2008]
The usa 2nd admendment (the right to keep and bear arms) was not meant and intended for private citizens, that was meant for a militia and military only.Anyone that can read can clearly see that in the usa 2nd admendment.
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23) I dont understand banning guns [by Anonymous Citizen on July 16, 2008]
I am not one to make assumptions in regards to a person’s position, especially when it comes to “OUR” (The People’s) right to “OWN” (Buy and Sell) and “BEAR” (carry) arms. However, I am dumbfounded (for lack of better words) at the ridiculously poor level of grammar (in regards to the comment I just read) used in writing that piece. How am I going to take your comment seriously if you don’t care enough to proof what you write? That tells me one of a few things, A). You’re not educated, B). You let your emotions take over as you write your position. There are too many only(s), and the word positioning requires review.

Nevertheless, let’s just think rationally about this issue…there is no reason to carry a weapon on campus (loaded) period. However since colleges and universities are designed as orientations of higher learning, I wholehearted believe it bestows a major discredit to the students (who are there to learn), as well as the professors (who are there to teach) to ban guns entirely or at all for that matter.

Not to affording both the students and professors the right to bring in guns of historic value (e.g. Civil War, etc…) to class, is where the problem lies.

Again, I support the banning of bullets on campuses; however I will never be convinced that banning unloaded guns is going to solve the true problem we the people are facing. The true problem is the deranged fool who intends to do harm to others, in combination with guns and most importantly bullets. The bullet kills or injures people, when in the hands of a sick individual…It’s not, nor ever will be the Guns who kills or injures people, it the combination as described above that injures or kills people. When in the hands of responsible people, who intends to do good with it that gun (which by the way is the majority of us), it is a great learning tool and experience on campus.

You will never stop the criminal mind of doing harm to innocent people by inventing new laws, banning /restrictions, statutes, bills, and every other possible solution people are coming up with next, when the root of the problem is not address or identified. Let’s face it…punishing the whole for the actions of a limited few - is foolish, and it adds to the destruction of what this country was founded on FREEDOM.

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24) not true - we have a right [by Anonymous Citizen on July 12, 2008]
Supreme court affirmed - 2nd amendment is an individual right.

Kentucky Constitution affirmed - you have the right to openly carry, even without a permit.

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25) its the law [by Anonymous Citizen on December 28, 2007]
Although the very act of making us pay fees and go through licensing to bear firearms is unconstitutional, and nothing more than yet another tax, the universities and colleges should be required to obey this law and not infringe further on our rights to carry concealed. For all the lies and distortion from the left and their mouthpiece of propaganda, the mainstream media, those comitting crimes with firearms are not the concealed carry crowd. We are those who believe in law and order and have the backs of our law enforcement. This bill is common sense and shouldn't even have to be discussed!
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26) First step [by bironmon on December 21, 2007]
This is great bill, but should only be the first step. Students of age to obtain a permit should not be restricted to having a weapon in their car. They are just as likely to be accosted walking around campus or sitting in a classroom. The student should be able to have their weapon on their person, that is where they have the most control over it and the most access in case they should need it. There is a lot of talk about Va Tech and what could have happened has some of the student body been armed. Having a firearm in their car would have been useless in preventing or minimizing the horrible outcome that was.
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27) Armed and Ready [by Anonymous Citizen on December 18, 2007]
A female friend of mine goes on campus often and always carries to protect herself. What a shame that she would be treated as a criminal for exercising her God-given and Constitutionally-protected Liberty if anything happened and she was caught with her handgun. How ridiculous!

This bill needs to become law. I wonder if it will in a heavily democrat state with a newly elected democrat governor?
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28) RE-ARMED AND READY [by Anonymous Citizen on July 3, 2008]
First of all , no one and i mean no one at all under any conditions has a god given right to carry a gun or handgun outside of the home.The usa supreme court recent ruling only gave peoples the right to own and have a gun ( handgun ) firearm in the home or residence and in the home only.The states and communities still have the rights and authority to limited and restrict where a person can carry a gun or firearm outside of the home.
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29) Excellent bill [by Anonymous Citizen on December 18, 2007]
Thanks to Bob Damron for an excellent common sense bill. What part of "shall not be infringed" do leftists not understand anyway?
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30) Thanks Mr. Damron [by bironmon on December 11, 2007]
I applaud you Mr. Damron for taking a stance and trying to ensure our children's safety and preserving our right to defend ourselves. As a CCDW instructor, I get the opportunity to meet and discuss personal protection with alot of people and I get numerous complaints from college students and parents that they are helpless while trying to attend classes.
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31) HB 114 [by Anonymous Citizen on December 11, 2007]
Many thanks to Bob Damron for introducing this common sense legislation.

I, for one, will not be sending my daughters to any state universities in their present condition of "killing zones" until this law is passed.
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32) Self-defense needed [by Anonymous Citizen on December 11, 2007]
Thank you for proposing this legislation. We have two daughters in college, one in Kentucky and one at Virginia Tech, where the recent massacre occurred. I wish they both had the right to protect themselves on campus so these murderers could be stopped.
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33) Faculty, Students or both? [by Anonymous Citizen on December 11, 2007]
Currently, deadly weapons are banned on campuses in Kentucky. Is this bill designed to arm the faculty? Security officers? Students? All of the above? This is an interesting issue in light of the Virginia Tech tragedy - but caution is in order.
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34) Faculty, Students or both? [by Anonymous Citizen on December 11, 2007]
The bill brings KRS 237.106 into play for post secondary schools as well as all other employers. This is applicable to all Kentucky citizens whether they are faculty, students, employees of the university/college or just visitors on campus. Universities would no longer be able to claim a unique status allowing them to deprive all who visit their campuses (except for a privileged few)of the means of self defense.
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35) concealed carry deadly weapons permit [by Anonymous Citizen on December 11, 2007]
in answer to your question, to get a kentucky concealed carry permit your must pass the required training and pay the required fees, then turn in your paperwork and more fees to your local sheriffs dept (who checks you out) and they then forward your paperwork to the kentucky state police for a background check before you can be issued your permit, oh, and you must be at least 21 yrs of age, the age limitation alone means that since most college students are 18,19,20 yrs old mostly only faculty and workers and a few seniors and grad students would meet the age requirements to apply for a permit, ...it seems a very sane and reasonable thing to let honest of age citizens who have been checked out to carry what they need concealed to protect themselves from lunatics, disarming these people would serve o make campuses more dangerous.
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